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A portion of the Mills' CPC collection
A portion of the Mills' CPC Collection displayed at the
Federation of Historic Bottle Collectors Expo in York, PA in August, 2008

Following are a compilation of tips offered to help new, as well as the seasoned, California Perfume Company and early-Avon collectors. At least one century of collecting experience is gathered below from some of our most expert CPC Collectors: those of great caliber, such as Leonard Talys, George Gaspar, Richard Pardini, and Bud Hastin. And though these tips can not be considered the "end all-be all" of collecting guidance, I do hope that some of these helpful hints resonate with you and help you on your collecting adventure.

If you have a tip to offer, I would be very interested in hearing from you. Please send your tip to russell (at) californiaperfumecompany.net

1. Condition Directly Affects Value!

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A Comparison of Condition
A: 1912 Natoma Rose Talcum    B. 1914 California Bay Rum (8 Ounce)    C. 1916 Carnation Toilet Water (2 Ounce)

It virtually goes without saying that the condition of a collectible will directly determine/affect its valuation. Or, in other words, the better the condition of the collectible, the more value that collectible has in the marketplace. Above are three examples of condition: (A) 1912 Natoma Rose Talcum Powder; (B) 1914 Eight Ounce Bay Rum; and (C) Two Ounce Carnation Toilet Waters.

There are two primary Avon Collector’s Encyclopedias that cover the gamut of California Perfume Company and Avon products sold in the United States: the Bud Hastin Avon Collector’s Encyclopedia (now in its 18 edition) and the Western World Avon 8 Collector’s Encyclopedia (last edition produced in the mid-1980s). Both of these collector guides use “mint” as their base line for Current Market Value (CMV) and describe CMVs as “MB” for Mint Boxed and “BO” or “TO” for Bottle Only or Tin Only—remembering, the criteria is that the collectible is in mint condition, just WITHOUT the box or packaging.

Looking to our three examples:

(A) 1912 Natoma Rose Talcum Powder
     From Bud Hastin’s Avon Collector’s Encyclopedia: MB: $360 and TO: $300

This is a very rare treasure that no longer has its original box. Its condition is far from mint. The brass-colored top is tarnished and marred. The paint on the tin’s body is worn in places, contains stains, and presents an overall cracking appearance. The tin’s base contains very mild surface rust. Therefore, this tin should not bring the full $300.00—mint “Tin Only” price. Now for the other side of the coin: based on a collectible’s rarity and the collector’s desire to purchase, regardless of item condition, an individual may pay well above the valuations suggested in the Avon Collector’s Encyclopedias (i.e., I paid $500.00 for this tin…and I feel that it’s worth every penny to me!)

(B) 1914 Eight Ounce Bay Rum
     From Bud Hastin’s Avon Collector’s Encyclopedia: MB: $175 and BO: $140

This bottle is exquisite! This eight ounce Bay Rum is truly MINT. It has never been opened and its original ribbon still holds the glass stopper in place. The bottle has all of its original contents (please note: it is NOT required that MINT items contain their contents). Also, the label is pristine. One flaw however: no box. This is a perfect example of a collectible that would bring the full “Bottle Only” value of $140.00.

(C) 1916 Two Ounce Carnation Toilet Waters
     From Bud Hastin’s Avon Collector’s Encyclopedia: MB: $140 and BO: $115

Above are two examples of the same product. The interesting point above is that one of two has NEVER been taken out of its original packaging—talk about “Mint Boxed”! This is VERY rare, to find a still-sealed CPC product! This would definitely bring the full “Mint Boxed” value, and probably more. The other example is a NEAR-mint bottle with its box, and the box is tattered and torn. If you did not notice, the very upper portion of the front label on the bottle has creases from having come loose from the bottle and being removed from and replaced into it’s packaging. This is a bottle WITH it’s box, but truth-be-told, it should not bring the full $140.00 “Mint Boxed” value…I would estimate a 5% to 10% decrease.

2. Know What You Want to Collect!

This tip is probably of greatest value to the collector! In other words, "You Rule the Collection, Don't Let the Collection Rule You." Choose the area of CPC/Avon collecting that is of particular interest to you (i.e.; Trailing Arbutus or Natoma Rose products, Paper items, Perfume bottles, or Perfection items) and stick to it! That's not to suggest you can't or shouldn't buy other interesting pieces, however, you should define for yourself what you want to collect. Most people do not have an infinite money source to tap into in order to pay for their CPC purchases.

3. Buy the Empty Boxes!

Empty Flavoring Set -1917
An Empty California Perfume Company Flavoring Extract Set
~1917

When the opportunity arises to buy an empty box -- particularly one in excellent condition -- TAKE IT! Above is a very rare find; owned by Mr. Richard Pardini of California. The three flavoring extract boxes (Peppermint, Violet Coloring, and Cinnamon) are empty. They are part of the large yellow CPC Flavoring Extract Set.

Without doubt, the first thing to be tossed in the rubbish after a purchase is the packaging. Really, who wants that bulk material taking up space in their home or garage or shed? The products sold by the California Perfume Company were consumables: they were meant to be used and thrown away. By extension, if the products were to be consumed and thrown away after use, you would certainly expect the packaging be be tossed also! So, as we see many CPC items brought to market—on e-Bay, at estate sales, etc.—you will normally see only the bottle or the tin or...normally you will NOT see the box. The fact is, the box (again, depending on condition as stated above) can add anywhere from a 25% to 100% increase in the value of a collectible when compared to the very same item without a box. The bottles are out there...the boxes are rare! When you can find an empty box, grab it! You'll probably find the matching bottle for your empty box shortly thereafter.

4. Estimating the Age of Your CPC Piece

 In the whole gamut of CPC collecting, I would have to say that this one aspect—calculating the age of a particular item—is probably the most difficult. The problem rests squarely in the fact that there are few illustrations for the majority of early CPC products. Many of those illustrations are actually inaccurate. The first California Perfume Company catalog was published in 1896, ten years after the company's claimed inception (and at least four years after the California Perfume Company name was first used), and that catalog was issued with no illustrations. The second catalog, issued in 1897, contained a few hand-drawn illustrations. Only after the turn of the 20th century did the illustrations in the CPC catalogs provide reasonably accurate product depictions. Then, the CPC catalogs' illustrations would not be changed for years at a time, though some minor and some major changes would occur in product packaging—hence the "dating dilemma." A great deal of work related to product dating has been done by Bud Hastin and I am continually endeavoring to build upon that great work. New, previously unseen and undocumented CPCs are still being found today. So, please be careful when dating your CPC item(s).

5. Collect Information About the Hobby

This is probably one of the most fascinating aspects associated with collecting California Perfume Company and early-Avon products and memorabilia: the research into company's history and into the many entrepreneurial adventures of Mr. David H. McConnell, founder and president of the California Perfume Company. As it turns out, McConnell's dealings probably helped the fledgling CPC become the world-renowned cosmetics conglomerate it is today. McConnell's additional dealings include Goetting & Co., New York; Mutual Manufacturing Co., New York; South American Silver Company; the D. H. McConnell Co.; Mecca Oil; and Allied Products, Inc. (at least that's what has been found thus far!) A well informed collector can locate a wealth of CPC and Avon-related information in the CPC and Avon Bulletins and Outlooks (monthly CPC representative periodicals), through on-line Newspaper archives, and in business libraries.

Dee Schneider's Book
Front Cover of Dee Schneider's
"Avon Bottles...By Any Other Name"

One outstanding resource that details some of the California Perfume Company's "additional" corporate dealings is Dee Schneider's "Avon Bottles...By Any Other Name." In this book, you learn of Goetting & Company, Hinze Ambrosia, and Allied Products. Interesting facts contained in a variety of available and older publications - including the Avon Times magazine and Bud Hastin's Avon Collector's Encyclopedia - provide tools so that any collector can gather interesting, diverse, and valuable collections!

6. Generic Bottles

One of the laudable goals of Mr. David H. McConnell and the California Perfume Company was to dispense some of the highest quality goods and consumables at very reasonable prices. One clear way that that goal was accomplished was to cut out the middle-man and employ a force of direct sellers: the Depot Managers. An additional way that I have recently discovered that McConnell held operating costs down was to use common, generic, mass-produced containers available to any and all manufacturers. Actually this came as a bit of a surprise—I prided myself on my ability to spot a CPC bottle from a mile away (ok, we know that's a bit of an exaggeration, but you know what I mean.) I concretely proved that not all of the containers used by the CPC were unique to that company. See the 1915 L'Odeur de Violet sample bottle below, quite a find for many CPC collectors. Next to it is a bottle of the EXACT same design and size put up with Jockey Club perfume by Calisher Perfumer of New York.

Generic Botttles
~1915
Generic Bottles:
California Perfume Company's L'Odeur de Violet (L)
and
Calisher Perfumer's Jockey Club (R)

Clearly, the important take away from this collector's tip is that without a CPC label on the bottle (or some other defining characteristic like the metal tops with CPC embossing), don't simply assume that the item you are acquiring, or have acquired, is actually CPC. I paid nearly $70.00 for the L'Odear de Violet (actually, a very low price) a few years ago. I just paid $5.00 for the Jockey Club by Calisher. The very same bottle, but it's ALL in the label.

7. Expect the Unexpected!

This one aspect of California Perfume Company and early-Avon collecting is particularly interesting to me! After well over a decade of personal experience collecting CPCs, I have come across some fascinating product variants that are not pictured in any Collector's Encyclopedia or company catalog, brochure, or advertisement. That, in and of itself, makes the hunt for CPC collectibles even much more adventurous. Below I have included pictures of a couple of these "unexpected" treasures along with very brief possibilities as to the cause for their existence:

Violet Food Coloring - 1906
Violet Food Coloring
(Two Ounce Bottle)
~1906-1908
Note: This Violet Harmless Food Coloring from approximately 1906 was put up in the appropriate California Perfume Company container, but the label depicts "CONCENTRATED EXTRACT...FOR ALL FLAVORING PURPOSES." Apparently, the company ran out of the correct Harmless Coloring labels and simply printed, "VIOLET COLORING" on this label for a quick fix.

Trailing Arbutus Transitional Jar - 1924
Trailing Arbutus Cold Cream
(Small Jar)
~1926
Note: This jar was available from approximately 1926-1929. This label was originally seen on the earlier round Trailing Arbutus jars of late-1924-1926. The jar pictured above probably represents a very rare transitional piece: starting the new style Trailing Arbutus packaging while depleting old stocks of labels.

There are other delightful examples of transitional pieces, alternate packaging, and interesting dilemmas within this web site and, most certainly, out their in the world just waiting to be discovered!

Questions? - If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. E-mail me at russell (at) californiaperfumecompany.net.

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